Rumor..Fred Lewis/Alderson for Matt Holliday

Originally posted by Poncho707:
ive been saying since yesterday were getting hollidayyyyyyyyyyy

I seriously doubt it.

I really hope we do not trade alderson for holliday. He is one of our better prospects in the farm system and we need him to continue to develop because outside of Tim and Cain, we do not have anyone who is consistent.

i really hope this isnt true. if it is, we better be signing holliday long term...

Two things you can take to the bank:
1) The Giants are not trading Alderson for a 2 month rental player
2) Holiday is not going to sign with any team without testing the FA market during the off season

Now.. if the Giants could trade 2 lesser type prospects for Holiday.. sure that would be great. At least we would then get 2 compensation picks later. I just do not see Billy Beane trading Holiday unless he gets quality back.

Originally posted by LUser:
This isn't just a issue with Holliday but anyone appoaching free agency. Especially a right handed hitter considering playing at ATT.

Basically all players earn their contracts through the numbers they produce and if they play their homegames here they will skew their numbers down in relation with others as they play toward their next contract.

No hitter other than Bonds and those who hit in front and behind him has ever had their best numbers season in this park, other than Molina who had never hit in the heart of an order.(for obvious reasons)

Add to that the fickle nature of Bay Area sports fans and the little adulation they accord players in SF and you have a lot of negatives you have to overcome to get ego driven stars to come here.

Especially if they are from less cosmopolitan and diverse areas of the US, or from abroad.

The Giants may have to shift their stratagy to acquiring players already under two year deals and let them get acclimated to the baseball situation here before breaking the bank on signings of players who ultimately won't be happy here.

This seems to have worked well with Affeldt and may work well if they attempt to resign Justin Miller.

They seem to have the quirky personalities which thrive in this area as did Eric Byrnes while with the A's.

Zito was an attempt at the same thing but the dollars to talent ratio wasn't there and his style of pitching was always more suited to the AL.

Byrnes is from San Carlos so we know why he thrived here. I think Affeldt is ready to sign an extension right now. Also think the make-up of this team due to the size of the park should reflect the cardinals of the 80's. Who was their power hitter Jack Clark? The pitching is what is going to carry this team. We need OPS and AVG guys and add 30 HR guy and your good.

Originally posted by SanDiegoGiant:
Byrnes is from San Carlos so we know why he thrived here. I think Affeldt is ready to sign an extension right now. Also think the make-up of this team due to the size of the park should reflect the cardinals of the 80's. Who was their power hitter Jack Clark? The pitching is what is going to carry this team. We need OPS and AVG guys and add 30 HR guy and your good.

Luckily we got 2-3 years of Jeremy under our control. It was one of the wise things Sabean accomplished this off-season.

Another is the buyout clause for Renteria in 2010. $500,000 is all he'll be earning from us next year.

But if we had split that 8 million on either Orlando Cabrera/Felipe Loez and Orlando Hudson we wouldn't have had to invest so much stock in unprovens like Lewis and Burress.

The ideas about the team structure are interesting but the guys like Coleman and Mcgee, etc. got a lot out of the 100 degree astroturf during the St Louie summers. They were pretty free swingers, not your typical average and ops. guys. We need patient line drive guys with the speed to stretch and take advantage of the alleys at home.

Obviously ATT lends itself to pitching and defense so we have almost 1/2 the equation solved. 1st we need a left handed bat like Adrien Gonzalez, Ryan Howard or Prince Fielder with opposite field power to hold down 1 corner infield position and the clean-up spot in the order.

I'm OK with Rowand Leading off. The 2 hole is the cavern. Sandoval can hit 3rd with that protection a power bat provides free swingers, and Posey/Molina (1 year deal) can hold the tail end with Schierholtz.

The key is fnding the defensive middle infielder(s)/ops guy(s) like a Placido Polanco only with dynamic speed.

Good Luck with that!

I hope this isn't true. But as someone else mentioned above, I don't see the Giants and A's making a big trade like this. I mean, you have a trade involving two *potentially* big time players (Holliday and Alderson), and I just don't see the two of them agreeing to such a deal. Too many negative repercussions if it doesn't work out for both sides IMO.

Nothing Sabean did or potentially will do would surprise me. He sucks d***.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Only problem with signing Holiday is the whole contract issue...if we could somehow sign him for longer I'd be more on board.

EXACTLY!!!!

Originally posted by LUser:
Luckily we got 2-3 years of Jeremy under our control. It was one of the wise things Sabean accomplished this off-season.

Another is the buyout clause for Renteria in 2010. $500,000 is all he'll be earning from us next year.

But if we had split that 8 million on either Orlando Cabrera/Felipe Loez and Orlando Hudson we wouldn't have had to invest so much stock in unprovens like Lewis and Burress.

The ideas about the team structure are interesting but the guys like Coleman and Mcgee, etc. got a lot out of the 100 degree astroturf during the St Louie summers. They were pretty free swingers, not your typical average and ops. guys. We need patient line drive guys with the speed to stretch and take advantage of the alleys at home.

Obviously ATT lends itself to pitching and defense so we have almost 1/2 the equation solved. 1st we need a left handed bat like Adrien Gonzalez, Ryan Howard or Prince Fielder with opposite field power to hold down 1 corner infield position and the clean-up spot in the order.

I'm OK with Rowand Leading off. The 2 hole is the cavern. Sandoval can hit 3rd with that protection a power bat provides free swingers, and Posey/Molina (1 year deal) can hold the tail end with Schierholtz.

The key is fnding the defensive middle infielder(s)/ops guy(s) like a Placido Polanco only with dynamic speed.

Good Luck with that!

You are not correct on Renteria's contract. You say that they will only owe $500,000 for 2010? Try 9.25 million. The Giants are on the hook for the full amount through the end of 2010. They have a club option for 2011 which they obviously will not exercise. This is just one example of Sabean being a complete idiot as a GM.

i want to hear us on espnews with a big trade =[

Originally posted by Poncho707:
i want to hear us on espnews with a big trade =[

Not me. Be careful what you ask for. Sometimes the best trades are the ones not made.

Originally posted by Giantjohn:
Not me. Be careful what you ask for. Sometimes the best trades are the ones not made.

i saw someone else say that exact same quote


but still im urging for us to get a hitter

I'm usually an advocate of trading for proven talent. But with the Giants, I really feel that we will be a real force once Bumgarner/Alderson/Villalona/Posey/etc. are all up (and our current position players mature), and I'm really hesitant to want to trade any of them away.

ESPN is reporting that the Cardinals acquired Holliday:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4353256