Now That the post season is just a dream

Now That the post season is just a dream what do the G-men do next?

It was a very very very successful season. Not expected by many, but if you ask my season ticket holder mom of 22 years I perdicted a winning, if not potential playoff team.

where do we go from here?

I say blow up the front office and start from scratch from there. Yes Bochy did a wonderful job with a limited lineup but he is too old skool and sabean too.

If you have followed prior posts you know how I feel. Lets get with the times of the MLB so we can get back to the playoffs and more winning seasons...

Your thoughts please......

players 35ish and up gone please

Sabean-Gone
Bochy-Gone
Ernest Riles Hitting Coach-GONE

Carney Lansford Batting Coach-One more chance
Dave Righetti Pitching Coach-One more season
Roberto Kelly First Base Coach-One more season
Tim Flannery Third Base Coach-One more season
Ron Wotus Bench Coach-One more season
Mark Gardner Bullpen Coach-One more season

GOOD BYE 46 Bob Howry L/R 6-5 220 08/04/73
Trade 45 Justin Miller R/R 6-2 200 08/27/77
Trade 57 Jonathan Sanchez L/L 6-2 190 11/19/82
Goodbye 47 Merkin Valdez R/R 6-5 230 11/10/81

keep
41 Jeremy Affeldt L/L 6-5 225 06/06/79
40 Madison Bumgarner R/L 6-4 215 08/01/89
18 Matt Cain R/R 6-3 245 10/01/84
55 Tim Lincecum L/R 5-11 170 06/15/84
49 Joe Martinez L/R 6-2 195 02/26/83
52 Brandon Medders R/R 6-1 195 01/26/80
54 Sergio Romo R/R 5-11 190 03/04/83
38 Brian Wilson R/R 6-1 195 03/16/82
75 Barry Zito L/L 6-4 215 05/13/78

Resign 31 Brad Penny R/R 6-4 230 05/24/78

Catchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
keep
1 Bengie Molina R/R 5-11 225 07/20/74
28 Buster Posey R/R 6-1 205 03/27/87
22 Eli Whiteside R/R 6-2 215 10/22/79

Infielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
Bye bye
35 Rich Aurilia R/R 6-1 200 09/02/71
19 Kevin Frandsen R/R 6-0 185 05/24/82
23 Ryan Garko R/R 6-2 225 01/02/81
13 Jesus Guzman R/R 6-1 215 06/14/84

keep
10 Travis Ishikawa L/L 6-3 225 09/24/83
16 Edgar Renteria R/R 6-1 200 08/07/75
29 Ryan Rohlinger R/R 6-1 195 10/07/83
21 Freddy Sanchez R/R 5-10 190 12/21/77
48 Pablo Sandoval S/R 5-11 245 08/11/86
5 Juan Uribe R/R 6-0 230 03/22/79

Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
trade
20 John Bowker L/L 6-2 200 07/08/83
14 Fred Lewis L/R 6-2 200 12/09/80
2 Randy Winn S/R 6-2 195 06/09/74

keep
33 Aaron Rowand R/R 6-0 220 08/29/77
12 Nate Schierholtz L/R 6-2 215 02/15/84
59 Andres Torres S/R 5-10 190 01/26/78
8 Eugenio Velez S/R 6-1 160 05/16/82

why would u say righetti to have one more season ^^^

hes helped us be the best pitching in baseball

Originally posted by BigRon:
Sabean-Gone
Bochy-Gone
Ernest Riles Hitting Coach-GONE

Carney Lansford Batting Coach-One more chance
Dave Righetti Pitching Coach-One more season
Roberto Kelly First Base Coach-One more season
Tim Flannery Third Base Coach-One more season
Ron Wotus Bench Coach-One more season
Mark Gardner Bullpen Coach-One more season

GOOD BYE 46 Bob Howry L/R 6-5 220 08/04/73
Trade 45 Justin Miller R/R 6-2 200 08/27/77
Trade 57 Jonathan Sanchez L/L 6-2 190 11/19/82
Goodbye 47 Merkin Valdez R/R 6-5 230 11/10/81

keep
41 Jeremy Affeldt L/L 6-5 225 06/06/79
40 Madison Bumgarner R/L 6-4 215 08/01/89
18 Matt Cain R/R 6-3 245 10/01/84
55 Tim Lincecum L/R 5-11 170 06/15/84
49 Joe Martinez L/R 6-2 195 02/26/83
52 Brandon Medders R/R 6-1 195 01/26/80
54 Sergio Romo R/R 5-11 190 03/04/83
38 Brian Wilson R/R 6-1 195 03/16/82
75 Barry Zito L/L 6-4 215 05/13/78

Resign 31 Brad Penny R/R 6-4 230 05/24/78

Catchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
keep
1 Bengie Molina R/R 5-11 225 07/20/74
28 Buster Posey R/R 6-1 205 03/27/87
22 Eli Whiteside R/R 6-2 215 10/22/79

Infielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
Bye bye
35 Rich Aurilia R/R 6-1 200 09/02/71
19 Kevin Frandsen R/R 6-0 185 05/24/82
23 Ryan Garko R/R 6-2 225 01/02/81
13 Jesus Guzman R/R 6-1 215 06/14/84

keep
10 Travis Ishikawa L/L 6-3 225 09/24/83
16 Edgar Renteria R/R 6-1 200 08/07/75
29 Ryan Rohlinger R/R 6-1 195 10/07/83
21 Freddy Sanchez R/R 5-10 190 12/21/77
48 Pablo Sandoval S/R 5-11 245 08/11/86
5 Juan Uribe R/R 6-0 230 03/22/79

Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
trade
20 John Bowker L/L 6-2 200 07/08/83
14 Fred Lewis L/R 6-2 200 12/09/80
2 Randy Winn S/R 6-2 195 06/09/74

keep
33 Aaron Rowand R/R 6-0 220 08/29/77
12 Nate Schierholtz L/R 6-2 215 02/15/84
59 Andres Torres S/R 5-10 190 01/26/78
8 Eugenio Velez S/R 6-1 160 05/16/82

Disagree with:
1) Signing Brad Penny unless it is a low base high incentive contract for 1 year
2) Trading J Sanchez unless its for a real impact bat - not a K guy like Dan Uggla thats for sure

As info...
You cant trade Randy Winn.. he will be a FA
No one is going to give you anything for Lewis, Bowker

Reality
This team will probably decline next year a bit. Its a terrible year for FA's, the team has no real trade bait, and their minor league hitters are not close to being ready. Unless Timmy and Cain can repeat the year they had this year or the Giants go nuts with a huge contract to Matt Holiday I see a .500 record in 2010.

We have trade bait, unfortunately it is the starting pitching. The only way we will get a big bat who doesn't strike out 170+ times a season is to trade one of them. From our point of view that would be Sanchez but I doubt he would be enough by himself to gain us that bat. Any trade involving Sanchez will need to be a package of players and possibly a third team. Taking a realistic look at this team who do we have that would be wanted by other teams.

Cain
Lincecum
Bumgarner
Panda
Wilson
Scheirholtz
Posey

are the only desirables on this team. They should also be the untouchables but coming off 5+ seasons of not getting the job done is anyone really untouchable?

Originally posted by BigRon:
We have trade bait, unfortunately it is the starting pitching. The only way we will get a big bat who doesn't strike out 170+ times a season is to trade one of them. From our point of view that would be Sanchez but I doubt he would be enough by himself to gain us that bat. Any trade involving Sanchez will need to be a package of players and possibly a third team. Taking a realistic look at this team who do we have that would be wanted by other teams.

Cain
Lincecum
Bumgarner
Panda
Wilson
Scheirholtz
Posey

are the only desirables on this team. They should also be the untouchables but coming off 5+ seasons of not getting the job done is anyone really untouchable?

affelt =]

I would rather have andres torres than aaron rowand and john bowker hasn't had a fair chance
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Suzuki sv650

Originally posted by brandonjg:
I would rather have andres torres than aaron rowand and john bowker hasn't had a fair chance

if torres is on this team again next year then it means sabean and bochy got to keep their jobs and we are looking at a broken record spinning in place.

Originally posted by SanDiegoGiant:
if torres is on this team again next year then it means sabean and bochy got to keep their jobs and we are looking at a broken record spinning in place.

I Think Torres will be here. I don't think Velez will be.

I am hoping that Nate is

Ron

Originally posted by BigRon:
I Think Torres will be here. I don't think Velez will be.

I am hoping that Nate is

Ron

Velez will be here...for certain.

He's improved a lot both at the plate and at the multiple positions we put him at defensively.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Velez will be here...for certain.

He's improved a lot both at the plate and at the multiple positions we put him at defensively.

And because he has improved and because he has speed, I think he is traded along with a pitcher for a bat.

Originally posted by BigRon:
And because he has improved and because he has speed, I think he is traded along with a pitcher for a bat.

Ok I wouldn't mind a trade. I thought you meant he'd be in the minors/released or something.

I like Velez though...he's showed some spunk for us.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Ok I wouldn't mind a trade. I thought you meant he'd be in the minors/released or something.

I like Velez though...he's showed some spunk for us.

Velez has been a nice surprise this season. I hate it when he hits a homerun tho. Because the next 10 ABs seem to be trying to repeat it.

Pete Rose once commented that the worse thing that can happen to a small ball player is when he hits the ball farther than he should. Velez falls into that trap every now and then.

Wtf sanchez is opting out.

http://www.mercurynews.com/giants/ci_13429380

So basically Sabean traded SF's second best pitching prospect for a midget that couldn't play everyday who was already damaged goods. Fail boat.